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    #41
    Chuck, have I got a deal for you. Since you claim to be a capitalist farmer, I'll sell you a fleet of the cheapest new harvesting capacity that you can add to your fleet.

    Threshing machines. The payments on your new combines are costing you $100's per threshing hour. I can get you into a fleet of threshing machines for a fraction of that cost per threshing hour. And you can use wood burning steam engines to power them, and horses to haul the stooks and grain and save the environment from CO2 at the same time.

    Except, you can't sell your current combines because you will still need them when it gets too dark for the threshing crews without lights, so your payments will stay the same, but their cost per acre will go up a lot. You will just add the payments for the threshing machines.

    You'll never buy fuel for the threshing machines, you'll just have to hire a crew year round to cut and spilt and cure and haul firewood, you'll pay that crew year around, even when the threshing machines aren't even in use. You will need to seed a large amount of farmland back to trees to keep up with the demand.

    Your current swathers won't work, so you'll have to buy a fleet of binders, and horses to pull them, and harnesses, and build a barn to house the horses, and hire the crews to drive them, then feed and look after the horses year around, even if they aren't producing anything all winter. You'll have to devote a large proportion of your farmland to growing horse feed, those are acres that will no longer be growing crops you can sell. But you'll still have the payments on your existing swathers to swath for the combines you'll have to keep.

    Just like wind and solar, the supply needs to be brought to where the demand is, and since a threshing machine is stationary, you'll need to buy a fleet of stook wagons and horses and hire the crews to haul the stooks to the threshing machines.

    The threshers won't reach into your current grain carts and trucks, so you'll need to buy an entire fleet of grain wagons and crews to run them, but you'll still have to keep your trucks and carts to service the combines. Did you forget that those wagons don't have hoists? Now the elevators you haul to will have to install hoists to dump the wagons, should that cost be forced on all the other farmers who don't use it?

    You will have more downtime, they require a lot of maintenance. With a road speed of 2 miles per hour behind the steam engine while you move from field to field across your 6000 acre farm, you will need a lot of redundant capacity to make up for the travel time while the threshing machines don't do any productive work.

    They are quite weather dependent. Everytime it rains, and every night, you'll have to remove all the belts from the thresher, and the canvases from the binders, better allow a lot of extra time for this.

    The straw will all end up in a pile, if you burn it, you release CO2, since care about the environment, you will need to spend a lot of time and energy putting the straw back on the fields where it belongs.

    But at least you can always claim that these new threshing machines have the cheapest cost of new threshing capacity. Unless of course you can actually do math.
    Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Sep 17, 2024, 09:03.

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      #42
      The basic argument goes back to the government regulating the economy to support their manta of controlling the weather.
      Western governments have lost touch with their taxpayers.
      Not hard to see why China wants to interfere in our politics.
      They sell us all the things needed for the new green economy but aren't playing in the same game.
      We are handing it to them.
      They get stronger and we decline.

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        #43
        Originally posted by shtferbrains View Post
        The basic argument goes back to the government regulating the economy to support their manta of controlling the weather.
        Western governments have lost touch with their taxpayers.
        Not hard to see why China wants to interfere in our politics.
        They sell us all the things needed for the new green economy but aren't playing in the same game.
        We are handing it to them.
        They get stronger and we decline.
        It takes a lot of cheap coal to make expensive green energy.

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          #44
          https://www.irena.org/News/pressreleases/2023/Aug/Renewables-Competitiveness-Accelerates-Despite-Cost-Inflation"

          "For the last 13 to 15 years, renewable power generation costs from solar and wind power have been falling. Between 2010 and 2022, solar and wind power became cost-competitive with fossil fuels even without financial support. The global weighted average cost of electricity from solar PV fell by 89 per cent to USD 0.049/kWh, almost one-third less than the cheapest fossil fuel globally. For onshore wind the fall was 69 per cent to USD 0.033/kWh in 2022, slightly less than half that of the cheapest fossil fuel-fired option in 2022."

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            #45
            Do you think IRENA might be missing something from their equation?
            If this cheapest form of energy always results in higher consumer costs, perhaps you might want to revisit some assumptions.

            After all, we now have decades of real life data proving that it is never cheaper. There's no need to rely on projections such as this.

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              #46
              We are shutting down dependable plants to replace them with a much less dependable source.
              The ones we are shutting down are paid for.
              How does it get cheaper than that.
              We aren't reducing global CO2 production. We are exporting it to Asia Pacific countries and importing all the consumer goods and heavy manufacturing from them.

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                #47
                Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                Chuck, have I got a deal for you. Since you claim to be a capitalist farmer, I'll sell you a fleet of the cheapest new harvesting capacity that you can add to your fleet.

                Threshing machines. The payments on your new combines are costing you $100's per threshing hour. I can get you into a fleet of threshing machines for a fraction of that cost per threshing hour. And you can use wood burning steam engines to power them, and horses to haul the stooks and grain and save the environment from CO2 at the same time.

                Except, you can't sell your current combines because you will still need them when it gets too dark for the threshing crews without lights, so your payments will stay the same, but their cost per acre will go up a lot. You will just add the payments for the threshing machines.

                You'll never buy fuel for the threshing machines, you'll just have to hire a crew year round to cut and spilt and cure and haul firewood, you'll pay that crew year around, even when the threshing machines aren't even in use. You will need to seed a large amount of farmland back to trees to keep up with the demand.

                Your current swathers won't work, so you'll have to buy a fleet of binders, and horses to pull them, and harnesses, and build a barn to house the horses, and hire the crews to drive them, then feed and look after the horses year around, even if they aren't producing anything all winter. You'll have to devote a large proportion of your farmland to growing horse feed, those are acres that will no longer be growing crops you can sell. But you'll still have the payments on your existing swathers to swath for the combines you'll have to keep.

                Just like wind and solar, the supply needs to be brought to where the demand is, and since a threshing machine is stationary, you'll need to buy a fleet of stook wagons and horses and hire the crews to haul the stooks to the threshing machines.

                The threshers won't reach into your current grain carts and trucks, so you'll need to buy an entire fleet of grain wagons and crews to run them, but you'll still have to keep your trucks and carts to service the combines. Did you forget that those wagons don't have hoists? Now the elevators you haul to will have to install hoists to dump the wagons, should that cost be forced on all the other farmers who don't use it?

                You will have more downtime, they require a lot of maintenance. With a road speed of 2 miles per hour behind the steam engine while you move from field to field across your 6000 acre farm, you will need a lot of redundant capacity to make up for the travel time while the threshing machines don't do any productive work.

                They are quite weather dependent. Everytime it rains, and every night, you'll have to remove all the belts from the thresher, and the canvases from the binders, better allow a lot of extra time for this.

                The straw will all end up in a pile, if you burn it, you release CO2, since care about the environment, you will need to spend a lot of time and energy putting the straw back on the fields where it belongs.

                But at least you can always claim that these new threshing machines have the cheapest cost of new threshing capacity. Unless of course you can actually do math.
                What a GREAT analogy! Thanks...THINK CC, exactly how wind/solar interact with gas/coal generation...CHEAP but plain STUPID!

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                  #48
                  Speaking of FROGS...they spanked the TURD in by election really hard!

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                    #49
                    Any price difference between Louisiana and Texas could be from structural differences.

                    Texas is a deregulated market not sure about Louisiana, legacy of existing versus new capacity. legacy Nuclear in Louisiana vs more gas in Texas for example, percentage of new capacity and growth in each state. And supply and demand growth

                    To suggest that the higher price in Texas has only one cause in Texas, is simplistic crap from the guy who says we need more CO2 in the atmosphere!

                    And when Sask power is saying wind and solar are lower cost than other options its for new generation capacity.

                    But A5 you are pretty sure Sask Power is wrong even when Lazard also say wind and solar are lower cost than other new generation options?

                    Keep running A5!



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                      #50
                      How much does chuckroach get paid for producing solar energy? Is it 14 cents a kilowatt?

                      saskpower buys coal generated electricity for about 2 cents per kilowatt.

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