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[chuckChuck]

What does it cost them for a new gas plant per Kwh? Because they are not going to keep burning coal in old coal plants.

What does it cost them for hydro, imports, wind, and solar?

What they said is wind and solar are the lowest cost new generation generation sources.

[cropgrower]

still useless when needed most , - 35c night for example

[chuckChuck]

That's why you have backup supplies and reap the benefits of cleaner lower cost intermittents when you can, with no fuel costs.

Its not one or the other its all of the sources.

On our farm the solar covers the equivalent of our average annual usage with no carbon emissions!

In Manitoba you have almost all non emitting renewable hydro at 10 cents a Kwh! Compare that to Saskatchewan's coal and gas at 14 cents.

You want to switch back to gas and coal Crop!

Like Alberta at 20 - 25 cents a kwh?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

That's why you have backup supplies and reap the benefits of cleaner lower cost intermittents when you can, with no fuel costs.

Its not one or the other its all of the sources.

On our farm the solar covers the equivalent of our average annual usage with no carbon emissions!

In Manitoba you have almost all non emitting renewable hydro at 10 cents a Kwh! Compare that to Saskatchewan's coal and gas at 14 cents.

You want to switch back to gas and coal Crop!

Like Alberta at 20 - 25 cents a kwh?

Chuck why do you do this to yourself. After repeating your mantra that solar and wind are the cheapest generation according to Sask and Ab.
You post the prices for electricity in Sask, Man and Ab. Ab has by far the most wind and solar, and you indicate that Ab prices are the highest of the prairies. Manitoba has almost no solar and wind, and you correctly point out that their prices are the lowest.

Tell us again how wind and solar are resulting in cheaper costs for consumers.

[blackpowder]

What would secretly float his boat would be for AB to have to buy all its power from another province.

[Blaithin]

I always wondered why Alberta didn’t invest in more hydro.

Hydro and Nuclear. Where are the reports on those capabilities?

Why put up a forest of turbines and an ocean of panels, many out in more sensitive ecosystems.

If it truly were about “all of the sources.” then there would be balanced analysis of all sources, not this only positives for some and only negatives for others, and there would be focus on alternate sources beyond wind and solar.

[chuckChuck]

Renewable Hydro in Quebec and Manitoba provide the lowest cost electricity in Canada!

Alberta's deregulated electricity market is largely responsible for the higher prices.

Several economist have already pointed to utilities with holding supply to drive up prices.

Do I need to post their research again for the slow learners?

Wind and solar bids are much lower than the bids from gas plants.

Saskatchewan has regulated rate reviewed prices from a provincially owned Sask Power which are significantly lower than Alberta's deregulated "free market" that over charges consumers.

[chuckChuck]

Varcoe: Alberta power market shakeup could save consumers billions but at 'expense of investor confidence,' report finds

[url]https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/varcoe-alberta-power-market-shakeup-save-consumers-billions-expense-investor-confidence[/url]


How 'economic withholding' is impacting Albertans' power bills and why even the premier is watching

Danielle Smith suggests 'something's broken' and needs to be done

[url]https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-electricity-economic-withholding-1.6946797[/url]


Alberta's electricity market can be a complicated subject, but consumers generally understand that prices for electricity have soared.

Experts say one of the main reasons is something called "economic withholding."

In Alberta, electricity generators are allowed to hold back all or some of their electricity supply, then offer it to the Alberta Electric System Operator (AESO) at a higher price. It's an intentional — and legitimate — practice that boosts wholesale prices and profits. The province's Utilities Consumer Advocate provides full details here ([url]https://ucahelps.alberta.ca/electricity-market-pricing.aspx[/url]).

The roughly 550,000 customers on the regulated rate option (RRO) who haven't signed a fixed-rate contract with a competitive retailer are subject to those wildly fluctuating prices.

A cap earlier this year held prices at 13.5 cents per kilowatt hour. Since the cap was removed in April, prices have soared.

Enmax, Epcor and Direct Energy Regulated Services are now offering a RRO price of 32 cents per kilowatt hour.

While economic withholding is allowed in Alberta, the province's Market Surveillance Administrator (MSA) says the practice could trigger an investigation if the agency were to ever believe the big power generators, which include TransAlta, Enmax, Capital Power and Heartland, were colluding to increase wholesale prices — which affects consumers who are on the RRO.

"While the MSA cannot comment on specific investigations, economic withholding is not prohibited by the legislation or market rules and therefore has never been investigated as a potential contravention," wrote the CEO of the MSA in an email to CBC News.

The MSA also refers to the practice as market power or offer behaviour. The most recent snapshot of the practice is detailed in a recent quarterly report ([url]https://www.albertamsa.ca/assets/Documents/Quarterly-Report-for-Q2-2023.pdf[/url]).

An Alberta economist who has researched the practice says the impact on prices is clear.

"I wholeheartedly agree that I think that the big driver of recent price increases is economic withholding," said David Brown, an economist at the University of Alberta who has studied the impact economic withholding has on consumer prices.

Love it or hate it, Brown says it's a part of Alberta's free-market system which is designed to encourage large-scale investment in electricity generation and allow those firms to recoup some of their costs.

[cropgrower]

Sorry we don't read or believe a word cbc says , try putting something in your words cc

[chuckChuck]

The Calgary Herald?

"I wholeheartedly agree that I think that the big driver of recent price increases is economic withholding," said David Brown, an economist at the University of Alberta who has studied the impact economic withholding has on consumer prices.

Neither are CBC opinions Crop!

Stick to the dark regions of social media Crop to get your fake news and far right anti vaxer flat earth crap!