Sudden Death

[foragefarmer]

You still have to include the time value (interest) of the money which could have been invested elsewhere.

Where's Tweety?

So you finally grasped the schooling Tweety gave you Ab5 to the point of posting it as advice to others.

You've proven there's a learning curve even for you.

[blackpowder]

What are the other components?

My comment related to the charges on your bill for distribution on top of the kw/hr charge, which is more than the power itself.

[blackpowder]

What are the other components that need to be charged for?
plus u cant factor in interest. Not an applicable cost if people pay cash.

Not a cost if using cash?
On which planet does the time value of money not apply?
You sound like an older farmer.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Where's Tweety?

So you finally grasped the schooling Tweety gave you Ab5 to the point of posting it as advice to others.

You've proven there's a learning curve even for you.

Forage, are you still upset that I invested in my own grain in a virtually zero interest rate environment to get a 100% return on investment?
I've asked you this before and you haven't answered. You like to brag about your investing prowess. What did you invest in during that. Of time that had a better return than 100% which earned you the right to criticize?

[goalieguy847]

The time value of money?

If u pay without any debt.. then the money is gone. Thats building equity as well .
One cant say that the " 70 ish" thousand could be invested in something else and return " x" amount. Just like you cant predict what the cost of electricity will be halfway through the lifespan of the solar panels.

And i would assume they get insured?
chuck?

[sumdumguy]

Opportunity Cost dear buddy.

[chuckChuck]

I paid cash, system will be paid for in about 10 years with savings, life span is 25 - 30 years. So 15-20 years of very low priced electricity while at the same time as electricity prices rise an estimated 3% per year. So the value of the displaced Sask Power electricity increases year after year which make the investment much more valuable.

And best of all no carbon emissions, no carbon tax and the fuel is free!

The wind is gusting here and the windmills are generating lots of electricity too!

Republican North Dakota and Texas can't be wrong about renewables can they?

[Hamloc]

Yup the wind is really rocking in Alberta today. Natural gas picking up the slack.

[shtferbrains]

Wind is cheap.
Right?
If it's cheap now think of how cheap it could be if it could have more than a 39% capacity factor annually ?

Much better than solar.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

. So 15-20 years of very low priced electricity while at the same time as electricity prices rise an estimated 3% per year.

Once again chuck, you contradict your own messaging.
Why would you budget for a 3% increase in electricity prices over the next 15 to 20 years, that is 50% higher than the targeted inflation rate, well simultaneously claiming that we will increase low cost wind and solar electricity generation.
Do you see the contradiction in claiming that adding more low cost unreliables will make electricity go up even higher than the rate of inflation?

At some point, shouldn't all of that low cost electricity generation result in low cost electricity? Or is that not how this works?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Yup the wind is really rocking in Alberta today. Natural gas picking up the slack.

It got a lot worse than that.
As of noon mountain standard time, wind has been hovering at around 33 MW which is 0.6% of capacity. And solar at about 8% of capacity.
As we enter into our first cold snap of the season.

[cropgrower]

Once again chuck, you contradict your own messaging.
Why would you budget for a 3% increase in electricity prices over the next 15 to 20 years, that is 50% higher than the targeted inflation rate, well simultaneously claiming that we will increase low cost wind and solar electricity generation.
Do you see the contradiction in claiming that adding more low cost unreliables will make electricity go up even higher than the rate of inflation?

At some point, shouldn't all of that low cost electricity generation result in low cost electricity? Or is that not how this works?

he sure never fails to bring the silly !

[blackpowder]

[QUOTE=chuckChuck;n807002]I paid cash, system will be paid for in about 10 years with savings, life span is 25 - 30 years. So 15-20 years of very low priced electricity while at the same time as electricity prices rise an estimated 3% per year. So the value of the displaced Sask Power electricity increases year after year which make the investment much more valuable.

And best of all no carbon emissions, no carbon tax and the fuel is free!

The wind is gusting here and the windmills are generating lots of electricity too!

Republican North Dakota and Texas can't be wrong about renewables can they?

I have a neighbor I respect that has panels.
And for this discussion I will take your assessment at face value without the actual investment amount.
I see real value in the ability to invest individually in panels. Early adopters with their own funds to do so, aid development of any new technology.
A year's living expenses for a family is a commitment. One which I won't do or subsidize.
As of yet, it in no way replaces current tech for access, generation or storage of affordable energy to everyone in First world demand areas. Distribution is another topic.

1/3 of the planet uses less electricity in a year per person than our fridges.
This allows them to skip over access to fuel and it's infrastructure. For now, household use only.
Like telephones in S Korea. 50 years from Stone Age to better cell networks than us. Skipping over the wire stage completely.

So I support and see a place for what you're doing. I don't support the prematurity in racing to cover the ground here with panels at any cost and no realistic vision. Not with my money at least.

[Hamloc]

It got a lot worse than that.
As of noon mountain standard time, wind has been hovering at around 33 MW which is 0.6% of capacity. And solar at about 8% of capacity.
As we enter into our first cold snap of the season.

Yes at 12:35 today, peak of daylight hours both wind and solar performing abysmally!!!

[TSIPP]

he sure never fails to bring the silly !

Chuckroach has a truckload of silly and he keeps dumping it on us