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[Hamloc]

Australia showed that tougher gun laws and enforcement reduces gun deaths.

And Downunder said its accepted and not that big of deal in Australia.

But the gun lobby in Canada is directly influenced by the gun manufacturers in the US who argue against more restrictions every time because they want to sell more guns!

Right next door is New Zealand. They brought in a gun ban in 2019. Below is an excerpt from a recent National Post article.

[chuckChuck]

Hamloc yours is unreadable and changing the subject but here is the point I made in response to the hotheads!

Crop and A5 sure don't like to be challenged so they change the subject and make up crap!

How does what I said below have anything to do with hate? It's the exact opposite! It's saying we have a problem with our justice system. And all you can do is deny racism exists?

And I know first nations people who have experienced overt racism and I can read their first hand accounts of their treatment. And Crop thinks I shouldn't stand up and say its wrong?


"There is systemic racism in the justice system when it comes to first nations.

"The jury in the Stanley case was comprised of all white-appearing jurors. In the selection of this jury all Indigenous-appearing potential jurors were excluded using peremptory challenges."

You walk in a store and you are treated differently. And you are watched as a suspected shoplifter just because of who you are. That happens frequently to first nations.

And of course white folks have no experience with racism but are pretty sure it doesn't exist nor is a problem for first nations? "

[Hamloc]

Hamloc yours is unreadable and changing the subject but here is the point I made in response to the hotheads!

Crop and A5 sure don't like to be challenged so they change the subject and make up crap!

How does what I said below have anything to do with hate? It's the exact opposite! It's saying we have a problem with our justice system. And all you can do is deny racism exists?

And I know first nations people who have experienced overt racism and I can read their first hand accounts of their treatment. And Crop thinks I shouldn't stand up and say its wrong?


"There is systemic racism in the justice system when it comes to first nations.

"The jury in the Stanley case was comprised of all white-appearing jurors. In the selection of this jury all Indigenous-appearing potential jurors were excluded using peremptory challenges."

You walk in a store and you are treated differently. And you are watched as a suspected shoplifter just because of who you are. That happens frequently to first nations.


And of course white folks have no experience with racism but are pretty sure it doesn't exist nor is a problem for first nations? "

I will quote the article for you then: “New Zealand conducted a similar but more extensive, gun ban and buyback in 2019. New Zealand had 1216 violent firearm offences in 2023. That’s 349 more offences than the year before the buyback.”
”All of this only confirms what experts have said from the beginning: This costs a lot of money, but won’t make Canada safer.”
”The gun ban is not working, said the president of the Toronto Police Association. We should focus on criminals.”

And for context the original post was about the gun ban and buyback.

[chuckChuck]

Fact Sheet: Weak Gun Laws Are Driving Increases in Violent Crime

States that have recently weakened their gun laws are seeing increases in violent crime.

[url]https://www.americanprogress.org/article/fact-sheet-weak-gun-laws-are-driving-increases-in-violent-crime/[/url]

Homicide rates are higher in states with weaker gun laws

• States that received an “F” grade based on the strength of their gun laws—according to the latest scorecard from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence—saw the highest homicide rates:¹
  • States with “F” grades saw 25 percent higher homicide rates than states with “C” or “D” grades.²
  • States with “F” grades saw 61 percent higher homicide rates than states with “A” or “B” grades—states with the strongest gun laws.³
• The states with the highest firearm mortality rates are Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, and Wyoming.⁴ These states all received an “F” grade for their weak gun laws.⁵
• Children and teenagers are most vulnerable in states with weaker gun laws: In 2020, the 10 states with the highest rates of gun deaths among children and teenagers ages 1–19 were Louisiana, Alaska, Mississippi, South Carolina, Arkansas, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, and Alabama.⁶ All of these states received an “F” grade for their weak gun laws.
• Reports also suggest that rates of nonfatal gunshot injuries sustained during assaults are higher in states with weaker gun laws: In 2017, the most recent year with available data across all states, states that received an “F” grade had a rate of nonfatal gunshot injuries that was 22 percent higher than states with “C” or “D” grades and 59 percent higher than states with “A” or “B” grades.⁷

[blackpowder]

Those mentioned states have little or no background checks and allow open and concealed carry without a permit. And 28.6 deaths per 100,000.

Non gang youth or child deaths often from a loaded gun stored in the open.

Be careful trying to compare the US to anywhere. As Forrest Gump said about Vietnam, "its like this whole other country"
You are out of your depth on this discussion. Your paste only proved lack of knowledge. From the AI generated portion at the top of your search results likely.

You are spending billions to ban all guns when almost entirely smuggled guns are involved in < 1/100000. Statistics are easily mis represented depending on the level of alarm desired. RCMP not even interested in this latest.

[shtferbrains]

We are being compared to Mississippi recently but mor for our lack of economic growth.

I do see some similarities in that the poorest rural folks often are where gun violence is more common in domestic disputes and local gang violence.
We had a bad stretch of gang shootings locally last spring/summer. Rumored to be drug related.
Most often the weapon was a sawed off 22 or shotgun.
They won't be turning them in.
RCMP sent in a special gang squad and seem to get that under control as nobody has been shot on the street locally.

Have to agree we have weaker law enforcement in some rural Sask areas where homicide rates are high.
Some may referred to as no go zones.

Also notable urban areas like Mississauga and Surrey would probably receive an F.

I agree gun laws/gang violence/drugs need more enforcement in easily identifiable areas.

I don't see how seizing everyone on Agrivilles guns and sending them to Ukaine is going to have any effect on any of that?

But I can't argue with your point that areas with high levels of visible minorities that live in less than ideal economic conditions always live with more violence.