As construction of first small modular reactor looms, buyers wait for the final tally

[chuckChuck]

So Crop says you can't have more than one generating source and renewables too?

Alberta, Saskatchewan, North Dakota and Texas prove that particular flat earth thinking is wrong.

Renewables don't have run all the time to add low cost and low carbon generation capacity.

[AllisWD45]

It seems the goal posts keep moving.

[chuckChuck]

Especially when it comes to paying up to five times more than planned for an SMR!

Even at 2 times they are dead in the water!

[Hamloc]

So Crop says you can't have more than one generating source and renewables too?

Alberta, Saskatchewan, North Dakota and Texas prove that particular flat earth thinking is wrong.

Renewables don't have run all the time to add low cost and low carbon generation capacity.

Did you read the article I posted on how incorporating wind and solar into the grid increases the cost of electricity to consumers Chuck2? You have yet to meet AF5’s challenge of showing us a jurisdiction where adding wind and solar lowered consumer’s electricity costs!

[chuckChuck]

Its an opinion and nobody can read it Hamloc unless you post the link.

Economists in Alberta and Texas have said that renewables are lower generation cost options that help keep the wholesale price of electricity lower.

In Alberta with holding supply drove up prices to consumers. It wasn't wind and solar.

[chuckChuck]

From the International Energy Agency:

Rapid rollout of clean technologies makes energy cheaper, not more costly

In many cases, clean energy technologies are already more cost competitive over their lifespans than those reliant on conventional fuels like coal, natural gas and oil. Solar PV and wind are the cheapest options for new generation.

?[url]https://www.iea.org/news/rapid-rollout-of-clean-technologies-makes-energy-cheaper-not-more-costly[/url]

[Hamloc]

Its an opinion and nobody can read it Hamloc unless you post the link.

Economists in Alberta and Texas have said that renewables are lower generation cost options that help keep the wholesale price of electricity lower.

In Alberta with holding supply drove up prices to consumers. It wasn't wind and solar.

fraserinstitute.org/commentary/solar-and-wind-make-electricity-more-expensive.

Simple reality Chuck2, wind and solar are not stand alone dispatchable power sources, they require back up. Therefore 24 hr a day electricity production involving wind and solar require far more infrastructure which is reflected in the increased generation cost passed on to the consumer.

Past history has shown that your understanding of the written word is very poor which is why I post pictures lol!

[chuckChuck]

The Fraser institute opinion piece is biased. Its not an objective economic analysis.

Why then are BC, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Quebec and Ontario along with North Dakota and Texas adding more renewables?

Free market Texas Hamloc? Why?

[WiltonRanch]

Funny story. Husky ethanol plant in lloydminster is being idled for the foreseeable future because, get a load of this, the carbon tax. A car of ethanol is $7000 cheaper to rail in from Chicago than it is to produce at the ethanol plant which uses extra heat and cogen from the upgrader. Our area has lost a market. See Chuck that is reality of government policy wrecking even green initiatives and allowing foreign competitors to come in.

[shtferbrains]

Not that funny.

Need some LOL's for that.

[blackpowder]

Texas Net Electricity Generation by Source, November 2020[1]
Petroleum - fired (0.01%)
Natural gas - fired (44.8%)
Coal - fired (19.0%)
Nuclear (9.9%)
Renewable - Hydroelectric (0.4%)
Other renewable - solar, wind, etc. (25.9%)

Sources of North Dakota utility-scale electricity generation:
full-year 2023[1]

Coal (55.3%)
Wind (36.1%)
Natural Gas (4.9%)
Hydroelectric (3.6%)
Petroleum (0.1%)
Other Gases (0.1%)

[chuckChuck]

So 26% to 36% renewable generation in Texas and North Dakota.

But the naysayers still aren't convinced that renewables work!

[Hamloc]

So 26% to 36% renewable generation in Texas and North Dakota.

But the naysayers still aren't convinced that renewables work!

Here is what you would have me believe Chuck. It will be cheaper for me to harvest my grain if I buy 3 combines. One that is powered by the sun that will work 15% of the time but burns no fossil fuels during operation. The second combine is powered by the wind but will only work 35% of the time but burns no fossil fuels during operation. Then of course I require a third diesel powered combine that is available to work 100% of the time but burns a fossil fuel during operation. Your argument is that this is better for the environment and less expensive for the end user. I would argue instead of making payments on 1 combine, I am making payments on 3. So even though I am saving on my fuel expense my capital expense far exceeds the savings in fuel plus instead of 1 combine having to be built, 3 are required to be built. Therefore this greatly limits the benefit to the environment!!!

[Hamloc]

The fossil fuelled combine is doing the work today Chuck2!

[blackpowder]

Don't forget the fine working coal fired combine you scrapped.
But they didn't.