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    #37
    Obviously I'm no expert.
    If the world's poor use less electricity in a year than our fridge. Without research, I'm simply suggesting some Gov on NonGov could build systems for small towns or villages in the zone between the tropics. Where most poor live. Skipping over the infrastructures phase required. Or buying fuels for supply.
    Naive thought perhaps but it does more for living standards than selfish, counterproductive virtue signalling by the rich.
    The UN wants to completely rewrite economic theories while hundreds of thousands still die from malaria or malnutrition annually.
    As far as Chuck is concerned. He's just clickbait obviously.

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      #38
      So what practical economic purpose would intermittent electricity serve for isolated third world villages? Can't preserve food or medicine. Can't operate life-saving hospital equipment. Can't run a factory or industrial process.
      Maybe pump water into a reservoir for future use.
      Could recharge their phones and computers and e-bikes. Just like our ancestors did using windmills to recharge the batteries for the radio. No one was using a windmill to power a refrigerator.

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        #39
        Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
        So what practical economic purpose would intermittent electricity serve for isolated third world villages? Can't preserve food or medicine. Can't operate life-saving hospital equipment. Can't run a factory or industrial process.
        Maybe pump water into a reservoir for future use.
        Could recharge their phones and computers and e-bikes. Just like our ancestors did using windmills to recharge the batteries for the radio. No one was using a windmill to power a refrigerator.
        Honestly, I'm not an engineer.
        I'm simply reminded of the South Korean telephone.
        Going from stone age to cell towers in one step saves a lot of expense.
        Is a renewable/battery combo cheaper than running lines from a conventional gen station? Maybe in some cases.
        Clean water. Small plot irrigation. Internet access. Education opportunities.
        Maybe cook without wood or dung. Read a book after dark. Grind corn.
        Refrigerator merely an illustrative, They wouldn't have use for one anyway.
        Wasn't thinking of smelting aluminum.
        Poor governance blocking any improvements notwithstanding.
        The Boy Who Harnessed The Wind a good movie based on a true story.

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          #40
          You bring up a good examples. But those are the same condescending applications that the virtue signaling anti-human, anti-industry green crowd wants to offer to third world citizens.
          They want to deny them the cheap reliable energy that first world used to achieve our standard of living.

          If they want to make the leap, they will need to smelt aluminum themselves, not just read a book after dark.

          It will end up the same as every off-grid yard site I'm aware of. Spend a lot of money and time and resources trying to make it viable. Only to inevitably give up and accept that they need reliable electricity/ energy/heat year around, then spend even more money connecting to the grid.

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            #41
            I wasn't aware that none of them worked, simply because I didn't look.
            Merely trying to dream up a fit for solar or wind.
            Some of these regions are their own worst enemy and defy humanitarianism.
            Leaving the Chinese to build the generation capacity but only if there's something in it for them.

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              #42
              February will not be kind to solar or wind energy when we need to heat hospitals, care homes , schools and all public buildings desperately.
              Just a reminder that without the petroleum industry, we are fubard in most western Canada for at least 4-5 months a year
              Que nuclear if you actually want to have a functioning “green”society in a sub arctic environment

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                #43
                The U.S. has been running nuclear technology in subs and their other naval fleet for decades with zero issues
                it’s time to pull our heads out of the “green sand”
                Ohhhh and we just happen to have one of the world’s biggest supply of uranium…….

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                  #44
                  Something has to pay for leftist socialism
                  The budget will never ever balance itself on part time unicorn farts

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                    #45


                    The ever-calculated Germans are going back to coal.

                    [url]https://www.npr.org/2022/09/27/1124448463/germany-coal-energy-crisis[/url]
                    Last edited by westernvicki; Feb 7, 2025, 06:34.

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                      #46
                      Originally posted by blackpowder View Post
                      Leaving the Chinese to build the generation capacity but only if there's something in it for them.
                      China is building dispachable energy plants like nuclear, coal, and gas all over the world.
                      They did the fabrication on the LNG plant at Kitimat.
                      They have the required factories and infrastructure working continuously and efficiently.
                      How long till we see them building reactors in North America?

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                        #47
                        for the past decade or longer
                        Chinas focus on high education is paying off while North American education has been highly focused on social justice issues .
                        The result of that is unfolding now

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                          #48
                          Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
                          for the past decade or longer
                          Chinas focus on high education is paying off while North American education has been highly focused on social justice issues .
                          The result of that is unfolding now
                          Not only that, but in North America, the best and brightest get recruited into the financial industry. Where the intent is to extract wealth from the productive industries
                          Whereas China explicitly discourages that, and ensures the best and brightest to get into productive industries.
                          Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Feb 7, 2025, 12:17.

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