Captain Canada

[foragefarmer]

1/6 and 1/3 of dairy tariffs.
Someone recently pointed out that tariffs on British or european dairy was also in the 300% neighborhood. Looking like more than a coincidence.
Are the wheat and barley tariffs still a legacy of the wheat board era?

Ritz left them just for you, because he knew you would bitch and moan about other industries having Government tariffs slapped on them while there's none on what you produce.

Like you do regarding others getting government subsidies

[WiltonRanch]

Ritz left them just for you, because he knew you would bitch and moan about other industries having Government tariffs slapped on them while there's none on what you produce.

Like you do regarding others getting government subsidies

Milk and feathers are “supply managed” to meet domestic demand. Tariffs are employed to keep this hegemony viable especially in Quebec where quite frankly dairy herds have not seen a rapid consolidation as in other parts of the country. Local dairy used to milk 60 cows and got out over 20 years ago because it was a case of get bigger or go out of business. Was talking with some dairy folks who came from bc to Sask to expand and now milk over 1000. See where I’m going with this? Doubt there’s many milking 35 in Manitoba. SM has been allowed to continue because of the farm lobby in Quebec. We had to give up our crow rate for nafta as well as every other subsidy but SM wasn’t touched. Now nafta is toast and unless we go off shore we suffer while sm keeps chugging along. Can you see why beef and grain guys are resentful?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I wouldn't use the word resentful, you are just playing into forage's imaginary stereotypes.
Personally, having been involved with a dairy farm, and knowing many others, I admire the hard work, dedication and investment required to be a dairy or feather or egg farmer. The average entitled grain farmer wouldn't last long with their 365 day a year all day everyday schedule.

My beef with supply management is that we are a resource exporting nation. The majority of our exports are natural resources.
Why would we intentionally sabotage these industries by pricing them out of the world market, while simultaneously extorting our own consumers?
We should be an exporting powerhouse in these industries. With our vast untapped land base, our homegrown cheap inputs, our cheap (previously)energy, our technology and infrastructure, we could easily be the lowest cost producer. There would be no need for import tariffs. Consumers would benefit, the agricultural industry would expand. The tax base would expand.

Can you imagine if we did the same thing with potash? Organize the producers into a legal monopoly, put a quota on production at just under local Canadian consumption. Triple the price Canadian Farmers have to pay, put up a 300% tariff on imports so we can't source cheaper elsewhere. Close most of the mines, fire most of the hard-working employees, because we won't be able to
Export anything with our uncompetitive supply managed prices.
Lose all of the tax revenue, royalties, spin off jobs and industries associated with those mines.
I'm sure forage would support that initiative considering how much potash is required for growing forage in this country.

My point about the 300% tariffs is it that is a good indicator of how uncompetitive our supply managed dairy is in the world market. Why else would that number be chosen except to keep cheaper free market dairy from disrupting our plan managed extortion?

[foragefarmer]

Milk and feathers are “supply managed” to meet domestic demand. Tariffs are employed to keep this hegemony viable especially in Quebec where quite frankly dairy herds have not seen a rapid consolidation as in other parts of the country. Local dairy used to milk 60 cows and got out over 20 years ago because it was a case of get bigger or go out of business. Was talking with some dairy folks who came from bc to Sask to expand and now milk over 1000. See where I’m going with this? Doubt there’s many milking 35 in Manitoba. SM has been allowed to continue because of the farm lobby in Quebec. We had to give up our crow rate for nafta as well as every other subsidy but SM wasn’t touched. Now nafta is toast and unless we go off shore we suffer while sm keeps chugging along. Can you see why beef and grain guys are resentful?

Googled it, average size of dairy barn in Quebec is 82 cows, Canadian average is 102 cows.

Alberta average is 125 cows

Sask average is 148 cows with a 182 barns for a total 29000 cows

Manitoba average is 190 cows with 240 barns

All sound to me like family farms, contributing to local ecomonies and filling those schools and rinks.

Here's how the USA dairy farms now look,

"The average herd size in the U.S. is about one hundred cows per farm but the median size is 900 cows with 49% of all cows residing on farms of 1000 or more cows."

I prefer how Canada dairy country side looks over the USA

[WiltonRanch]

[CENTER]

Googled it, average size of dairy barn in Quebec is 82 cows, Canadian average is 102 cows.

Alberta average is 125 cows

Sask average is 148 cows with a 182 barns for a total 29000 cows

Manitoba average is 190 cows with 240 barns

All sound to me like family farms, contributing to local ecomonies and filling those schools and rinks.

Here's how the USA dairy farms now look,

"The average herd size in the U.S. is about one hundred cows per farm but the median size is 900 cows with 49% of all cows residing on farms of 1000 or more cows."

I prefer how Canada dairy country side looks over the USA

You know full well it isn’t sustainable without sm and 300% on foreign imports. Not saying I disagree with protecting our domestic food supply. Think it’s a noble pursuit but like the Crow and the CWB it held us in a bubble while the rest of the world moved on. I’d love to live on 60 beef cows and 6 quarters of crop like many did 40 years ago. Heck maybe throw 20 sows in there too. It’s quaint, traditional, and bucolic but you know full well when the reality of the world at large comes in to focus you’re running through the slough wearing rubber boots.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

[CENTER]
, Canadian average is 102 cows.


Here's how the USA dairy farms now look,

"The average herd size in the U.S. is about one hundred cows per farm

I prefer how Canada dairy country side looks over the USA

So you prefer the exact figure of 102 to the approximate figure of about 100 cows?

Is it the precision or the accuracy of the statistics that you prefer?
It seems to me that 100 cows is less than 102. Are you claiming the fact that the average Canadian dairy herd is two cows bigger than the average American dairy herd as some sort of success for supply management?

[chuckChuck]

Even PP faithfully supports supply management.

The US system is a mess with small dairys going out of business frequently.

And Trump signed a free trade agreement that was the "best trade deal ever"! Dont you know!

CUSMA included dairy.

[blackpowder]

Let's call a spade a spade.
All politicians support dairy to court Quebec.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

What I find highly amusing is how the left is suddenly pro free trade.
Remember how violently opposed to free trade the left was when it was first negotiated? Remember the nfu blocking the border in protest?
Principles

[blackpowder]

It's sickening the two faced, short sighted preaching going on every time you access any media.

Meanwhile both Carney and Freeland promise to lead Canada into a new green economy.
Reminds of a cows arse on fresh grass.