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[Blaithin]

Rarely venture to this side of Agriville but can’t post it in commodity section.
First not anti vaxxer.
But this week Brother in Law went to hospital with chest pains, inconclusive but zero signs of heart issues. “Possibly” Covid related.
His partner who’s exhusband got him into top cardiologist/surgeon same day private hospital.
Some detailed scans again no heart issues but definitely vaccine injury around or in heart muscle.
Nothing can be done except will heal in time and do NOT have any more vaccination for Covid.
Last comment surgeon said he wouldn’t have been allowed to make such diagnosis even 19months ago.
Time goes on things get discovered so no more vaccine for me going foward.
Just putting it out there.

I’m curious about biology and anatomy so…

Did the doctor say how they deem it vaccine damage? As with most of my medical knowledge it defaults to cows, and in cattle necropsy’s it’s easy to tell myocarditis from pericarditis as an example, but less easy to tell WHAT caused the myocarditis or pericarditis. I’m just curious how they diagnose vaccine injury in people vs other causes or if it’s just a case of deduction based on patient history.

I’d assume if it’s damaging heart muscle then autopsies and biopsies would more likely show the root cause so then knowing what the injuries confirmed by analysis look like they can probably diagnose based on similar scam appearance.

Primarily asking because I can’t stand everyone scapegoating something - in this case the vaccine (not saying you are) - for every issue. Even if it does cause issues in some people (likely) it statistically can’t be responsible for everything. Right now it feels like if I had any health ailment pop up either Covid or the vaccine would be blamed for it, when realistically it’s a health ailment that would have likely happened no matter what due to other variables. You constantly hear “so and so had a stroke, they got vaccinated 4 years ago, that’s why” like suddenly all other causes of stroke are invalid.

[newguy]

Is this the roundabout liberal way saying that the vaxx is safe and effective but only a bunch of people had vaxx injuries?

Like seat belts that saves lives .Many wearing them still die in accidents.So do you wear a seat belt?

[chuckChuck]

There are also still a fair number of rural residents who drive without seat belts.

I think we all know of cases where fatalities occurred because drivers or passengers were ejected because of no seatbelts.

But some people, often young men, will ignore common sense.

[blackpowder]

There's really nothing to argue about regarding vaccines.
Personally, after phlebitis, deep vein thrombosis and a pulmonary embolism (all in the last 3 years) I'm weighing my choices carefully.

[Landdownunder]

I’m curious about biology and anatomy so…

Did the doctor say how they deem it vaccine damage? As with most of my medical knowledge it defaults to cows, and in cattle necropsy’s it’s easy to tell myocarditis from pericarditis as an example, but less easy to tell WHAT caused the myocarditis or pericarditis. I’m just curious how they diagnose vaccine injury in people vs other causes or if it’s just a case of deduction based on patient history.

I’d assume if it’s damaging heart muscle then autopsies and biopsies would more likely show the root cause so then knowing what the injuries confirmed by analysis look like they can probably diagnose based on similar scam appearance.

Primarily asking because I can’t stand everyone scapegoating something - in this case the vaccine (not saying you are) - for every issue. Even if it does cause issues in some people (likely) it statistically can’t be responsible for everything. Right now it feels like if I had any health ailment pop up either Covid or the vaccine would be blamed for it, when realistically it’s a health ailment that would have likely happened no matter what due to other variables. You constantly hear “so and so had a stroke, they got vaccinated 4 years ago, that’s why” like suddenly all other causes of stroke are invalid.

Was actually cardiologist did numerous tests no need for valves or stints heart function fine. I wasnt there second hand info. PS brother in law fully vaxxed not an anti vaxxer just passed it on. Does cardiologist recommend no vaxx for all nicks reply case by case I think. So wasn't blanket recommendation. Not shitz stirring just family hot of press info

[chuckChuck]

From Down Under "Some detailed scans again no heart issues but definitely vaccine injury around or in heart muscle." "heart function fine".

Sounds like myocarditis or pericarditis which is also caused by covid itself at higher rates than the vaccine.

So again how did the specialist determine the cause was vaccines and not some other cause?

Myocarditis vs. pericarditis


Both of these are types of inflammation in your heart, but they’re in different places. Myocarditis is in your heart muscle. Pericarditis happens in your pericardium (the lining around your heart). Most often, a virus causes myocarditis and pericarditis. Both can give you chest pain, but with pericarditis, your chest pain should feel better when you sit up and lean forward. With myocarditis, you’ll usually feel tired and weak.
What causes pericarditis?


In up to 90% of cases, the cause of pericarditis is unknown. This is called idiopathic pericarditis.

There are many causes of pericarditis:

• A complication of a viral infection, most often a gastrointestinal virus, causes viral pericarditis.
• A bacterial infection, including tuberculosis ([url]https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/11301-tuberculosis[/url]), causes bacterial pericarditis.
• A fungal infection causes fungal pericarditis.
• An infection from a parasite causes parasitic pericarditis.
• Some autoimmune diseases, such as lupus, rheumatoid arthritis ([url]https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/4924-rheumatoid-arthritis[/url]) and scleroderma, can cause pericarditis.
• Injury to the chest, such as after a car accident, causes traumatic pericarditis.
• Kidney failure causes uremic pericarditis.
• Tumors like lymphoma causes malignant pericarditis.
• Genetic diseases such as Familial Mediterranean Fever (FMF).
• Medications that suppress the immune system (This is rare).

[url]https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17353-pericarditis[/url]