Does Danielle Smith know we can all see and hear her?

[chuckChuck]

Oh that makes a lot of sense Alabama 5!

Alberta is helping Carney get elected!

Liberals in Edmonton?

Better start packing!

[shtferbrains]

ABC! Anybody but PP and the Conservatives.

And Carney's book is not his policies as desperate as you far right conservatives want them to be!

I guess the large lead in the polls must mean voters don't care about the book?

Like bp says people like you only read the headlines in the Liberal press.

But even they are starting to ask Carney about his plans.

Trump is dropping out of the picture.
He hasn't said anything about the 51st state since Trudeau disappeared.

Carney will have to start talking about the last 9 years sometime in the next 3 weeks?

[goalieguy847]

It may also mean that... in a country as large as ours with the diverse populations... more people see the libs as the answer and less people see the cons as such.
its not easy to see any light on the other side of the tunnel when u live in such a conservative ( traditionally) area such as western canada.
so the urbanites ( in almost every single province and state) always vote more left... while rural always votes more right.

plus.. its different strokes for different folks. It doesnt make someone an idiot for voting liberal. Nor someone who votes con.
i used to be a staunch conservative.. but then had kids and many of my views on life and whats IMPORTANT TO ME NOW had been more in line with liberal policies of early trudeau days. Not so much today... although many of the liberal policies ON PAPER seem.more.up my alley.

I would very much consider myself well informed. i also consider myself someone who can understand different viewpoints. I would bet that a liberal candidate in toronto would gain more votes if he said he wanted rent controls canada wide... over his policies on natural gas extraction and east/ west coast pipelines.

We are a resource heavy 4 provinces to the west here... so resource movement and extraction is our lifeblood and economic heartbeat.
i get our hatred toward the east... really.. i do. But you cant fault people who care more about things that effect their everyday... than about things that effect YOUR everyday.

For instance.. im ALL for federally funded dental plans for kids.
i can afford dental and wont use the plan. But ill help pay for it.

Subsidies to oil and gas? 0 chance i want to pay for that.
Just like 0 chance i want to help pay for direct to farm subsidies such as what they did in the states. That would be a mistake . And we are oil and gas. The oil tanks that redwater wells were sent to sit on my home.qrtr. grandfather was the 3rd employee hired by imperial oil up here. I get oil and gas... but how can anyone honestly agree to subsidize billion dollar companies who are making record profits.. and then subsequently complain about gasoline or diesel price!!

its super important heading into this election to remember that its different strokes for different folks. We cant all believe in the same things because we are all at different walks in life and were raised in different ways.

The females in our family were 80% teachers... so i, naturally, despise the conservatives here in alberta and on the whole.. enjoyed the time the NDP had in alberta in the aspect of what they put into both infrastructure and schools/ hospitals. Anyone driven thru fort saskatchewan and have seen the bridge/ interchange on the north end? 2 new schools in fort sask... st albert. NDP started digging 22 new schools in the 4 yrs they were in power... with 28 of those schools having been on the conservative books for yearssss prior to. So i guess im an uninformed lefty... or at the time
those were the important things to me.


more than 50% of the population cant be stupid.. can they?

If you sold the farm... moved to downtonm vancouver... would your priorities and voting habits change throughout the rest of your life? ( odds are yes)

All of this being said.. i dont believe the polls. Frankly.

This is almost EXACTLY THE SAME as when the dems named kamala harris the next up queen of usa. Polls were up. Media was alll about her.
Now its the same thing with Carney...

Its high time for pierre to step up and get out there... with some strong plans. His 5 word slogans got picked up by carney and the libs. So now he needs some substance.
( full disclosure i do want the cons to win as i feel a bit of fiscal prudence would be right... right about now)
However.. maybe having a guy in there such as carney who understands ( we think) fiscal policy ( bank of england.. brookfield etc) would be a good thing?

Hard to overlook some of his past statements though ....

But.. trump got elected. And he literally said.. and i quote

" you can grab em by the p$$$%$y"

That comment alone would probably get him slapped in the dressing room of my mens league "small town ultra liberal hating greasy rig pig working rural" hockey team. Seriously. And some of the stuff we say in there is shocking!!!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

We are a resource heavy 4 provinces to the west here... so resource movement and extraction is our lifeblood and economic heartbeat.
i get our hatred toward the east... really.. i do. But you cant fault people who care more about things that effect their everyday... than about things that effect YOUR everyday.

I (reluctantly) agree with nearly everything you had in your post.

Your above statement really describes the conundrum our country is in.

When you look at Canada's net exports and government revenues, resource extraction is not just lifeblood of the west, it is the lifeblood of the country.

Yet rightfully so, voters will put their own selfish immediate self-interest ahead of any long-term prosperity.

In the long term all of Canada needs a healthy resource sector in all parts of the country to provide the benefits and services that those voters demand in the short term.

The entire scheme collapses without resource extraction.
And that collapse will happen even faster now that the US is enticing manufacturing away.

Resource extraction is by default a rural phenomenon. How long will those rural areas stick around when they are the only ones left contributing to the experiment? Especially now that a better offer is on the table.

[shtferbrains]

Big opportunities for resource extraction in Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland......

That's all dirty business we are leaving behind.

We are a European country now.
Going full Germany.

[furrowtickler]

ABC! Anybody but PP and the Conservatives.

And Carney's book is not his policies as desperate as you far right conservatives want them to be!

I guess the large lead in the polls must mean voters don't care about the book?

Danny Smith is helping Carney get elected when she says
"Big Win for Alberta and Canada" after Trump slaps 25% tariffs on automobiles, steel and aluminum that directly damages Ontario and Quebec's economies the most!

And Smith says it's a win? LOL

More votes for Carney!

Good lord , listen to yourself rant while supporting the very elite silver spoon culture you pretend to hate

[chuckChuck]

Looks like the Liberals and Carney are doing just fine in the west and separatists are a small minority.

Mr. Manning does not offer much evidence for his thesis that “support for Western secession is growing,” other than a wave of the hand at a recent survey by the Pollara organization ([url]https://thehub.ca/2025/03/21/hub-exclusive-while-separatism-sentiment-grows-in-western-canada-84-percent-of-quebeckers-say-independence-for-their-province-is-unlikely/[/url]) that in fact shows Westerners rejecting the idea by wide margins: by 39 points in Saskatchewan and Manitoba, by 26 points in British Columbia, by 11 points even in Alberta.

Another recent poll, by Angus Reid ([url]https://angusreid.org/smith-shapiro-sovereignty/[/url]), offers more detail. It found 25 per cent of Albertans, and 20 per cent of Saskatchewanians, claiming they would be willing to vote to secede; the numbers rose to 30 and 33 per cent, respectively, in the event the Liberals were to form the next federal government.

That even a minority of voters are this unhappy is obviously not ideal. But it hardly substantiates the claim of a burgeoning secession movement. These are, after all, people responding to questions in the abstract, on an online panel. Whether the numbers are remotely reflective of how they would actually vote in a referendum may be fairly doubted; whether any such vote would actually result in secession, even more so.


The numbers of supposed militant separatists in B.C. and Manitoba, moreover, are even lower: 9 per cent and 8 per cent, respectively, 17 per cent and 12 per cent if the Liberals are elected – about the same as in Ontario (13 per cent). The idea that there is a broader Western secessionist movement of any importance is pure fantasy.

And all these numbers are substantially lower than they were six years ago. In January, 2019, Angus Reid found 60 per cent of Albertans were either strongly (31 per cent) or moderately (29 per cent) in favour of separating. In Saskatchewan it was 53 per cent (26 strongly, 27 moderately).

As for the hated Liberals under the nation-rending Mr. Carney, they are currently polling at levels of support they have not seen in the West in decades: in the low-to-mid 30s, on average, in Alberta in the 40s in British Columbia in the mid-to-high 30s across Saskatchewan and Manitoba. You have to go back to 1968, or earlier, to find so many Liberal voters in the West.

The knife at the throat is always a discreditable strategy for getting what you want. It is especially so when the knife is made of rubber.

" If you’re going to threaten to secede, you might at least have the numbers to back it up" Andrew Coyne

[url]https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-if-youre-going-to-threaten-to-secede-you-might-at-least-have-the/[/url]

[goalieguy847]

Alberta experienced roughly 12 k people PER MONTH moving into alberta throughout 2024. With only about 25% of that being international ( who i would suspect vote very liberal as thats the party in power when you came to canada) and the other majority being from bc and ontario.
if you think about it objectively...

1) Who is moving?
-Young people for jobs and hope of owning a cheaper home than in toronto and vancouver

2)from where and to where?
- larger urban centres that are expensive.. to other large urban centres that are less expensive

3) how do urban centres vote?
Tradtionally much more liberally than rural

Plus.. on a voting map... willing to bet these interprovincial immigrants come from an area that voted more liberally... to areas that vote more liberally.....

It makes sense that with 175k people coming into alberta in 2024 the latest polls may see alberta swing a bit more to the left....

* i would also suspect... as some empirical evidence has shown from the US latest election..
that left leaning voters are more likely to answer and respond to polls ( AND answer truthfully).

I still dont believe the polling.
i think the election will be alot closer than 10 pts.

[chuckChuck]

44% of Albertans voted NDP in the last election and dominated in the cities.

Urban Alberta is a very different than rural Alberta.

Demographic change means political change.

With nearly 1/2 of voters voting left of centre, Alberta will never vote for independence, even if Smith keeps cultivating the east west grievance and rage.

She is at risk of losing the next election if Carney throws the angry dogs a bone or two.

Who can argue against Carney's vision as Canada as an energy super power?

Swoosh! That is the sound of the rug being pulled from under PP and Smith!

Thanks Donny!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Who can argue against Carney's vision as Canada as an energy super power?

Is Germany an energy superpower?
What about the UK?
They certainly have super powerful energy prices thanks to following the path that Carney is promoting.
Is that what we should be looking forward to? Super energy prices, and nothing to export?