Coalition Government?

[farmers_son]

It certainly looks like the Harper government will lose a confidence motion and a new government will be formed made up of a coaltion. Any thoughts?

[wilagro]

About time...after all Harper brought this on himself. Bloody fool.

[craig]

Wilagro
Isn't it interesting that you are supporting a coalition that goes against the very principles of democracy. Not the message you present when we talk about wheat board elections. Better another election than what's currently in front of us.

[wilagro]

The "Coalition" is not illegal or is it a new thing in Canadian politics. Much depends on the GG's assessment of the situation and the action that she takes.

Harper can get around this by proroguing the House and then waiting for a month or two before re-visiting the problem.

Maybe he will think before he acts...next time.

[silverback]

Pay a little closer attention Wil.

Are you having too much trouble understanding that they were plotting this coup for "a very long time" as your beloved Jackie Layton admitted?

Harper could have offered to take the 3 amigos to dinner and they would have done the same thing.

[cakadu]

There are a few interesting things here.

How did said phone call with Layton miraculously grant access to a Tory?

When did said phone call actually take place? I'm no techie, but it seems to me that if you know what you're doing anything can be done.

Mr. Harper is "conveniently" forgetting when he wanted to form a coalition with the Bloc to get one Liberal leader out of the way. Oh wait, that wasn't a formal thing so it was okay.

The dictatorial style of leadership that we have been privy to over the last number of months is finally coming home to roost. We threw our weight around one too many times and now the momentum could very well topple.

What is really scary is that the fate of our country lies in the hands of the GG.

What an absolute mess things are in. I guess if you live long enough.....

[blackjack]

the real scary part is if those three clowns are allowed to stimulate the economy

[cakadu]

Now Mr. Harper is going to go on TV tonight to talk with us "unwashed".

Think about this folks - he has been running a minority government since he got in. Who do you think he was trying to cozy up to in the last 2.5 years when he needed a budget passed - it wasn't the Liberals or the NDP. Now he is trying to portray the Bloc as the boogey man and as a red herring of sorts. He was unable to do what he wanted to do in this last needless election which was gain a majority. We had to go vote a short while ago because he couldn't work with this parliament.

He came out of the election red-faced because he couldn't get what he coveted most (in a time when there was no real competition for the position) and stated that he would work with parliament. Then he goes and the first thing he does (with bad advice to be sure)is to try and take the legs out from under everyone else.

He and he alone has created this mess we are in and now he is trying to put the fear of separation in front of us. He has been the schoolyard bully and now that his nose has been bloodied, he is crying foul.

What is sad is that we are paying these clowns as they go through this gong show instead of dealing with the real issue which is an ever deepening economic problem. Maybe if we said we'd suspend their pay until they learn to play better togther we might see some positive results.

[Muttley]

I hate to have a election so soon but thats what needs to be done. The coalition needs to be formed then let the people of Canada decide. The cost of an election is far better than having money go everywhere trying to keep everybody in the coalition happy.
Maybe then somebody will get a majority and can start governing Canada!!!!!

[silverback]

If Stephen Harper is such a hated man like the way you say cakadu, how is it that they ended up with more seats than they had last time? Why did the liberals lose seats? Why didn't the ndp get a bigger boost?

Do you think that it is possible that people are starting to see that the conservatives are not so evil and that just scares the hell out of you? Do you believe everything that the msm write or say on cbc?

And again, I repeat, what part of the tape where Jack admits to planning this a "long time ago" do you not understand? This coup was going to happen as soon as the traitors thought they could make it happen.

By the way, the reason that all those bills got passed over the last couple of years is because the liberals hid under their desks until it was over. The separatists and the ndp voted against them.

God help us all if your separatist coalition get the keys to this country.

[FarmRanger]

If those 3 parties had campaigned with a promise of forming a coalition with a $billion buyoff and U.S. president-like veto power for the bloc,.... is there any chance that Harper wouldn't have a super majority right now?

[cakadu]

The Bloc have been around for at least 15 years now, Mr. Harper didn't feel they were separatists when he was working behind the scenes with them to try and unseat Martin, but that was okay because he didn't do anything formal.

Can someone please explain to me how this can possibly be a separatist coalition when between them the NDP and Liberals have more votes/seats than the Bloc? they each only have one vote, how can it be a separatist coalition?

Why is it that it has taken 15 years for anyone to figure out, the PM included, that the Bloc was all about separation?

I see that the separatist "spin" has done what Harper wanted it to ... get people afraid.

62% of the voters in the last election did NOT vote for Harper. Even with the increase in seats, it did not get him the one thing he wanted, which was a majority.

If Harper had come out and actually done what he said he would do, which was try and work with this parliament, instead of trying to pull the rug out from underneath them, we wouldn't be in this mess. Instead he acts like more of a bully and has his nose bloodied.

All this has done was prolong the inevitable, which is to have yet another election. Do you recall that Harper broke his election promise from 2 years ago by calling an election to try and suit his own needs, which resulted in the election in October?

Think of how he must feel, when faced with the weakest slate of candidates in an election, Harper still could not get a majority. There is one person and one person alone responsible for this mess and he should be taking a long, hard look in the mirror.

[FarmRanger]

Well cakadu, Harper never ever suggested forming a government with the support of separatists. Big difference.

The reason it’s a separatist coalition is because they had to bribe the bloc into the coalition with promises of copious amounts of goodies in order to have them vote with them for 18 months. A signed deal with separatists to usurp the government without the bother of another election. Harper did a great job of smoking out this conspiracy, it would have been a lot more damaging if they’d waited until the budget.

You may be right that 62% of voters didn’t vote for Harper as PM. This coalition will install a PM who 74% of us didn’t vote for and leave him there for at least 18 months. Is that better?? Is it democracy??
And how relevant is that number anyway, I didn’t hear anyone complaining when Chretian in 1997 had a majority government where 62% voted against him. At the height of Trudeau’s reign the BEST he achieved was 55% voting AGAINST him. In fact only 6 governments of the 40 parliaments had better than 50% of the vote.

This 62% number is a smokescreen to justify usurping the legitimate election of the conservatives to install a coalition of losers without holding another election. If the losers want to run again as a coalition, then vote no confidence, have an election, and run one candidate in each riding against the conservatives. If they win that, then the coalition is legitimate. No, they had to threaten a coup.

During the election campaign, Dion promised he wouldn’t be forming any coalition with the NDs, let alone the and NDs and the separatist bloc. If the national media wasn’t thoroughly anti-conservatives they would have pointed a few of these facts out, instead of letting the coalition of losers have a complete free ride during this whole fiasco. Instead they are all over Harper because he prorogued parliament, trying to give the hotheads a chance to cool down.

I’ll bet Harper is disgusted with this whole mess. The 38% who voted for him sure should be. And judging by the polls, it’s up to 46% now (large majority territory). 56% say they would rather have another election than be governed by the coalition. And that’s even with the negative spin that’s being thrown at Harper. 56% is also more support than any party has ever received in a Canadian election except Robert Borden’s Unionists (56.9%) in 1917.

I suspect that come the end of January, a lot of Liberals will have realized what a boneheaded move this was and will be sitting on their hands again at voting time.

[silverback]

Cak,

Read our lips, "MORE PEOPLE VOTED CONSERVATIVE IN THE LAST ELECTION THAN THE PREVIOUS ELECTION"

What part of that can you not understand?

Name one "EVIL" policy that the current government has brought before parliment to warrant your anger and seething hatred of this one man. Just one.

[coppertop]

I haven't been checking this site for awhile, but thought there might be some discussion on the coalition or COUP !!
I think it is gone by the wayside, and the Liberals are scrambling to get rid of Dion and get a leader in place before the House resumes sitting.
I feel that Harper baited the opposition once too often, hopefully when the budget is tabled cooler heads will prevail on all sides.
The coalition would have been disastrous for Alberta, and Canada. Layton would have had a lot of clout, so of course his main target would be the oilsands, which, whether anyone believes it or not, is the economic engine of this country.
Any government with the Bloc holding the balance of power is scary for the future of Canada.
I think that if the Liberals can find enough friends to hold a non-confidence vote on the budget in January, the Conservatives will get a majority government. The cost to the country holding elections whenver someone doesn't want to play in the sandbox is huge, we need a strong government to see us through this economic downturn.
I don't know if any of you watch Huckabee on the Fox Channel, last evening he had a former governor of South Carolina speaking on how they pulled together to get new industries when some of their major ones closed. They did not ask for a bailout or a stimulous package, and they have companies like Toyota, BMW building vehicles in their state and employing people.I think Harper was correct not to provide for a stimulous package until he brings in his budget.